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PeppaD.
I suggest to begin cooking the onions as Step 1, then make the toast. Grate the cheese and butter the pan while the onions and bread cook.The recipe steps make this dish seem complicated, but it's not. Perhaps the NYT food editors should reconsider the standard recipe outline used here and by most cookbooks and websites, and come up with a better format to reflect the way people actually cook at home.
DRC PGH
This looks delightful and delicious and something I'd like to attempt. However I have to question the instructions. Like most recipes that call for baking or roasting, we're instructed to preheat the oven first, no matter how long it takes to arrive at the moment the dish is placed in the oven. In this instance it appears to be over an hour from the time we're told to heat the oven. Of course most of us know to ignore or read through this step, but still...
Balance
Why would you read a recipe for baked bread and cheese in a search for healthy eating? This is a simple and straightforward meal, and not everyone chooses to eat healthily all the time. This is a dish with history and culture, too.
Geoffrey Hill
I've had a shamelessly deep affair with panade since my lucky introduction in madame L'Eplatinier's sal de cuisine, 1986. Her stern tutelage belied panade's history: As a nourishing way to use simple ingredients and help her family survive the privations of WWII.
John S
This recipe is incredible. But I think it absolutely shines when twice baked. Either bake the day before or earlier the day of. Baking twice creates a drier, crispier panade with more concentrated flavors. Sometimes I’ll add fresh thyme to each layer or substitute beef stock which works as well.
Clea
This is ridiculously complex. In my house I would slice up onions and put In the crockpot with wine and butter. When I get home I layer onions with the cheese and onion mix with fresh parsley in a baking dish, I would take the leftover random meats and vegetables out of the fridge and pressure cook them and strain the stock into the pan and bake. It doesn't matter if the oven is preheated. Add extra cheese to the top and broil. Done and now you have used up most of your leftovers too!
dimmerswitch
The woman across the dinner table was a psychologist. But for the 3 glasses of wine consumed she may not have asked, 'HOW do you stay SO well adjusted given your diagnosis?". This during course 3 as I mentioned living with progressive CNS disease for 40 years. "Cooking and food", I said. Specifically this kind of food and cooking. Making this kind of dish is Zen-time for me. And in this recipe it is as if I heard Samin's voice in my kitchen with me. So delicious!
maeve
I love the comments about the recipe and those that contribute to our knowledge. But I deplore the pseudo-scientific / medical advice. I don't think a random comment equating carb and protein spikes and the need to add fat with both is appropriate. If you want to give medical advice, include your credentials.
Sarah
As with any simple country recipe, the originators of the recipe would have used whatever stale bread/cheese they had on hand, so get creative! I usually try to find 3-4 recipes of the same dish to compare and see what kind of wiggle room there is, prepare it according to combo of best the first time, and then have fun making it my own after that. This seems like one of those recipes- best not to get too religious about the details, but use it as a learning tool to gain some new skills.
Katie James
I made this and yes, like other experienced cooks, I started the onions first. The 2d time I made this, I used half the onions and added brown mushrooms and butternut spaghetti the last 15 minutes and spinach the last 5. Also delicious and a bit more nutritious
Patricia
It really depends on what kind of stove you have. I was disgusted with the way my high-end Thermador was baking until the technician told me that most of the commercial-type home ranges need to preheat an hour because of the way they cycle-very high, back down, and so on, as they preheat. After an hour, they've stabilized. Please, if someone knows better, let us know! But meantime, that's the way I operate, and the baking is going better.
Kathleen
I've made variations of this with different kinds of cheese and bread, both water and chicken stock and it always turns out wonderful. It is hard to go wrong with this. You can simplify some steps and it still works.
Kate
Perhaps there should be a new tab for those comments ranting about the healthfulness (or health-lessness) of the recipes!
Casey
equally good with beef stock and some dark beer as the liquid.
Jeff R
Made a variation. Saw this on ABC 7, from restaurant Houseman. Cooked the 2-3 medium size onions, added 1-2 tbsp whole grain mustard, 1-2 tbsp wh wine vinegar, 1-2 tsp salt. Toasted a small ciabatta roll, put onion mixture on roll, then slice gruyere, melted under broiler. Great lunch or cut up as hor d’oeuvre.
Nan Dem
This is a very sturdy base recipe that can tolerate lots of tweaks. I had some “buttermilk” (whey) left over from making ricotta cheese, so I used 2 cups of that along with 4 cups chicken bullion. Threw in some TVP, sautéed mushrooms and kale. Needed to use a larger roasting pan. Still turned out great.
Nan Dem
Delish. Half recipe in 8 x 8 casserole with2 cups broth was perfect. May add some roasted veggies next time.
Frank Randazzo
I made it as instructed with the exception of the amount of bread. I had a loaf of almost 2 lbs. which I cut and toasted thinking the extra bread could be frozen and used for croutons. I was able to get 2 layers and part of a third. I found the dish to be delicious but it took much longer than 2 hours with constant attention. The Gruyere cheese was a little expensive but worth it. The bread did get a bit stodgy when reheating I added a little hot stock and it loosened up a bit.
Al Brosseau
Wow!!! Really nice.And this morning, for breakfast, I tried it with poached eggs. Another winner!
kswl
Recipes like this are the reason I make big batches of caramelized Vidalia onions in the crockpot and keep them in the freezer.
Max Alexander, Rome, Italy
In my forty years making French onion soup (call it soupe or panade, same thing depending on how much liquid you like), from Normandy to Provence and around the world, I have never used stock, only water as I was taught in France. The stock is created from the caramelized onions and cheese. I prefer a deep, round clay casserole which I bought at the public market in Cavaillon in 1992 for a handful of francs.
Miriam
So with the goal of being frugal, the recipe requires making or buying homemade stock and expensive cheese.
Chris
I've made this several times, and it's wonderful. Last time I made it, I added left over turkey (shredded) and sautéed cabbage. Another time I added Swiss chard and left over salami. Instead of layering sliced toasted bread, I cut it into cubes, toasted it, and then mixed everything together before putting it in the baking dish.
Myr
Perfect! The sourdough bread adds great flavor, a sharp green salad is required, and it is, all and all, perfect as written.
Ashlea
This was amazing! I did have just a couple of modifications. My partner cut the bread into cubes rather than slices, so I decided to forgo the fussy layering, and left the onions in the stock, then mixed it up with the bread cubes. I also added some crumbled sage sausage, which was a nice treat. In addition, I dotted (dolloped) the top with ricotta instead of butter and it was a good decision. In all, a very tasty dinner, and one I will try the correct way in future!
SaratogaTB
A true love affair with food.
Jen
My biggest challenge with this recipe is making sure I have enough bread to make 3 layers in a 9x13 pan- it takes more than 1 1/4 lbs even when I’m careful to slice pretty thinly. The bread expands in the oven so it’s ok if everything doesn’t fit snugly together. It’s not the prettiest dish but so delicious- it makes your tummy feel warm and glowing!
Frank Randazzo
I had the same issue with the bread. The loaf of bread I had was almost 2 pounds, I sliced it as directed and I had enough for 2 complete layers with a third partial.
Melissa
I assume this will be even better with the rich beef stock that’s in my freezer. Will that work?
Jennie
As Cole Porter would have said: too, too, too diveen! Quite time-consuming to put together, but absolutely luscious. I didn't have quite enough bread, even though my loaf exceeded 1.25 lb (and was not thickly sliced). So don't skimp on the bread. Also, and oddly, I followed the advice in the notes to start the onions first, and then had to wait for my bread to toast! Usually caramelizing onions takes ages, but mine went super fast tonight.
KBV
Can I make this with a beef stock or a combo of stock and broth? Don’t have any chicken stock at the moment.
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